V.I.P Scam report against | @SonicRefs | $1200

[Duoley]

Username: @SonicRefs
Profile Link: https://patched.to/User/sonicrefs
Short Description Of Product/Service: LIFETIME MENTORSHIP
Thread of sales: https://patched.to/Thread-diamond-%E2%86...0%9F%94%BA
Screenshots of conversation: 
https://i.imgur.com/tw94wCM.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/3Z9bJfx.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/xOfGZoz.jpeg
Amount scammed: 1200$

Proof of payment (IMPORTANT, PLEASE POST): pm admin

Additional Information: 

Hello, I purchased a $1,200 lifetime mentorship. For some time now, I’ve noticed a lot of people complaining in the group and that we seem to be nothing more than beta testers for Sonic; posts from those complaining disappear, and the users themselves seem to get banned.

To get to the bottom of it, I asked Sonic in the group if we were beta testers, and I was banned within two minutes (compared to the 24–48 hours it usually takes to get an answer regarding the course).

Now, he is demanding that I "say sorry" to get back in—which I did—only to then force me to hand over my Patched username.

This is clearly blackmail and an abuse of power. I know Sonic spends a lot on Patched and likely feels untouchable, but there are already about twenty of us suffering this abuse of power regarding a course that is supposed to be for life (I suspect there are many more, but messages are instantly deleted and the authors banned).

Sonic is refusing to add me back to the course or issue a refund. Here are some screenshots showing the blackmail.

[PatchedBot]

System Bot Alert: @SonicRefs (SonicRefs) has been notified about this dispute and must respond in this thread within 24 hours.

[Duoley]

I asking why he deleted, he say "?" "Your message are here"

https://i.imgur.com/iQFMtXE.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/10Kyq4L.jpeg

But in reality he instant delete it :

https://i.imgur.com/62M8ZIQ.jpeg

This is proof this guys is a liar who feels untouchable due to his status on Patched.
(screenshot by someone still in groupe dm me, i have mass dm of people say its scam)

[Duoley]

So he say i don't respect the ToS,

Here is the ToS : 



Source : https://sonicrefs.su/mentorship

He never talk about that, again a lie with imaginary ToS.

I just ask in chat "Sonic, can i ask you if we are beta tester of stores" ?

And banned :)

[SonicRefs]

Making a reply wait

[Duoley]

https://i.imgur.com/DHJLcYq.jpeg

So, to summarize, I paid $1200 for lifetime training with one-on-one support.

I wrote a message: "Sonic, can I ask if we are beta testers for your store?"

And I got banned, and my message was deleted (I'm not the only one, by far).

He told me I hadn't followed the Terms of Service, which are imaginary and don't mention this at all (see my screenshot above).

Sonic repeatedly asked me to "say sorry" so I could come back.

I did, and then he asked for my patched username so I could return. Blackmail, plus an additional condition for regaining access to what I paid $1200 for.

I refused to give him my patched username because I suspected foul play, and he'd get it anyway when I reported the scam.

Now that he sees the scam report, he sees my username but tells me it's not "big" enough (see screenshot)

[SonicRefs]

i offered to add him back as long as he said sorry and gave me his forum account because i knew that he would join back in just to leak my mentor

proof: https://ibb.co/2LVw4Fk

and to be safe from that i asked his patched user, instead of just giving me his patched user he decided to open this report

the reason for the ban is that he is clearly spreading fud, talking shit on me in my own mentor and doing mass dms to people as i just found out and pushing people to make report against me

proof of shit talk/fud which made me ban him:
https://ibb.co/rfwQ93mv
https://ibb.co/1f6Bfbj4
https://ibb.co/N6BwbMf8
https://ibb.co/Zpr4q8VL

also why tf would i ban someone for making a vouch of fail... i have a topic where you can post fails so it helps other mentees. the reason for the ban is because he just talking shit and making fud in my group, even before i banned he was talking shit on me in the fails section

proof: https://ibb.co/DHkSxxRj

also it is not "blackmail" to ask for a patched user lmao. this is a clear sign that he had bad intentions! if he wanted to be added back and everything go back to normal he would have gladly gave his patched user as my insurance incase he try to leak my mentor

from my end there is 0 scam. i told him clearly to say sorry and stop spreading fud in my group, and to give me his patched mentor incase he tries to leak my mentor. if he did this i would add him back but he clearly dont agree with this

[Duoley]

7 hours ago SonicRefs Wrote:

i offered to add him back as long as he said sorry and gave me his forum account because i knew that he would join back in just to leak my mentor

proof: https://ibb.co/2LVw4Fk

and to be safe from that i asked his patched user, instead of just giving me his patched user he decided to open this report

the reason for the ban is that he is clearly spreading fud, talking shit on me in my own mentor and doing mass dms to people as i just found out and pushing people to make report against me

proof of shit talk/fud which made me ban him:
https://ibb.co/rfwQ93mv
https://ibb.co/1f6Bfbj4
https://ibb.co/N6BwbMf8
https://ibb.co/Zpr4q8VL

also why tf would i ban someone for making a vouch of fail... i have a topic where you can post fails so it helps other mentees. the reason for the ban is because he just talking shit and making fud in my group, even before i banned he was talking shit on me in the fails section

proof: https://ibb.co/DHkSxxRj

also it is not "blackmail" to ask for a patched user lmao. this is a clear sign that he had bad intentions! if he wanted to be added back and everything go back to normal he would have gladly gave his patched user as my insurance incase he try to leak my mentor

from my end there is 0 scam. i told him clearly to say sorry and stop spreading fud in my group, and to give me his patched mentor incase he tries to leak my mentor. if he did this i would add him back but he clearly dont agree with this

"because i knew that he would join back in just to leak my mentor"

So now Sonic can offer us fortune-telling or clairvoyance services :) He's just looking for an excuse not to put me back in the group.

"and to be safe from that i asked his patched user, instead of just giving me his patched user he decided to open this report"

I don't have to give him my profile if I don't want to—it's blackmail—and right after seeing the report, he complains that my profile isn't "big enough." That proves that if I had given it to him ten minutes earlier, the answer would have been the same.

"the reason for the ban is that he is clearly spreading fud, talking shit on me in my own mentor and doing mass dms to people as i just found out and pushing people to make report against me"

I never DM anyone, again a lie, People would just DM me on their own whenever I posted a fail or a negative message. 

"from my end there is 0 scam. i told him clearly to say sorry and stop spreading fud in my group, and to give me his patched mentor incase he tries to leak my mentor. if he did this i would add him back but he clearly dont agree with this"

People would just DM me on their own whenever I posted a fail or a negative message. Yet another lie and an attempt to use his status on Patched to make claims without proof.

"https://ibb.co/rfwQ93mv
https://ibb.co/1f6Bfbj4
https://ibb.co/N6BwbMf8
https://ibb.co/Zpr4q8VL"

Yes, so in 1-2 months message i just post my fails, asking why he delete message of other people few days ago, asking if we are beta tester (the reason of ban, dont saying me anything before for other message).
And yes, some message about your shit boxing because i lost 6k because u answer every 24-48 hours and make fake promess. 
Some of these messages about boxing are, in fact, just casual conversations taken out of context.
Its my right to ask if im the only one or not have problem with all my boxing with you, and at least, no, a lot of people saying same thing (you delete again).

"also why tf would i ban someone for making a vouch of fail... i have a topic where you can post fails so it helps other mentees. the reason for the ban is because he just talking shit and making fud in my group, even before i banned he was talking shit on me in the fails section
proof: https://ibb.co/DHkSxxRj"

So, saying I lost 8.5k because of Sonic's shitty boxing—is that a personal insult?
You told me yourself that it was crap this time around. I'm just repeating what you said. Proof: https://i.imgur.com/TdZ8NDu.jpeg

"also it is not "blackmail" to ask for a patched user lmao. this is a clear sign that he had bad intentions! if he wanted to be added back and everything go back to normal he would have gladly gave his patched user as my insurance incase he try to leak my mentor

from my end there is 0 scam. i told him clearly to say sorry and stop spreading fud in my group, and to give me his patched mentor incase he tries to leak my mentor. if he did this i would add him back but he clearly dont agree with this"

i repeat, im not your dog, i pay 1200$, i dont have to say sorry and send any proof for your imaginary ToS because your ego is hurted. 
You are just a refunder on a forum, not god.
The idea that I want to leak anything exists only in your imagination and is pure paranoia. Repeating it over and over won't make it real. Perhaps you should add a clause to your imaginary ToS stating that any paranoia on Lord Sonic's part is to be considered reality?
Now i have say sorry, you have my patched, but its still not enough :) ? So you scam me 1200$.

[SonicRefs]

who would allow FUD on their own group? 

any issue or criticisms from anyone are free to dm me with their issue and i will sort on dms! i always did and no one can say otherwise

but if anyone in my own group like this guy make several posts clearly spreading fud and talking shit then i will not allow that. no other provider would keep someone in his group while being trashed like that

i was fair and offered to add him back as long as he said sorry for the shit talk and to give his patched user

i have many people on telegram trying to sell my mentor and leak it and him refusing to give his patched at the time was a big red flag and i had a strong feeling he would leak it

anyone under these circumstances would try to get some sort of insurance!

All he gotta do is say sorry and i will add him to the mentor again!

@beastmode

[Duoley]

6 hours ago SonicRefs Wrote:

who would allow FUD on their own group? 

any issue or criticisms from anyone are free to dm me with their issue and i will sort on dms! i always did and no one can say otherwise

but if anyone in my own group like this guy make several posts clearly spreading fud and talking shit then i will not allow that. no other provider would keep someone in his group while being trashed like that

i was fair and offered to add him back as long as he said sorry for the shit talk and to give his patched user

i have many people on telegram trying to sell my mentor and leak it and him refusing to give his patched at the time was a big red flag and i had a strong feeling he would leak it

anyone under these circumstances would try to get some sort of insurance!

All he gotta do is say sorry and i will add him to the mentor again!

@beastmode

The chat is meant for sharing our failures, successes, and opinions—not for blindly backing your group no matter what.

If you don't get that people have the right to complain after paying $1,200 and suffering multiple failures with your so-called "worldwide" shops—which don't actually work in Europe (even though we ask for confirmation beforehand)—then you're missing the point.

I think that after 4 failures out of 5 attempts, I’m entitled to ask the group whether I’m just unlucky or if this is a recurring issue (oops, turns out it *is* recurring).

If you can't handle criticism or being questioned, find another line of work.

You have my username, I told you "sorry," and yet nothing has changed.

Oh, excuse me, God Sonic—should I just gift you $1,200 because I dared to ask if I was the only one losing tens of thousands of euros thanks to your services?

I’ll say it again: you’re just a small-time refunder on a virtual forum; you’re a nobody—come back down to earth.

When messages get deleted that quickly, it means there's something to hide; otherwise, you'd just wait for others to reply saying, "No, everything's perfect for me; you just got unlucky."

You’re just riding on your reputation as a big-shot refunder and the massive effort you put into self-promotion. Naturally, people are afraid to complain given how you react like a paranoid child whenever someone offers the slightest criticism or asks an awkward question.

I know it, you know it, and everyone else knows it too.